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Vasaris, the Fuzzy Dragon [userpic]

Guh. And now we know why I don't bother telling people my religion, most of the time.

CW: Co-worker
Me: Well, me, of course ;)

CW: *babbling about religion for some reason*... And aren't Catholics stupid the way they pray to saints instead of God? Like they're better than him or something? *sporfle at supposed joke*

Me: *exasperated after 10 or so minutes of uninformed crap* It doesn't work that way. It's called intercession -- asking someone God trusts to intercede on your behalf, because, face it, God is a rather busy being.

CW: Oh, so you're Catholic then? [said with absolutely *no* repentance for the fact that in airing his ignorance in public he might well have offended the hell out of me... actually, I'm fairly certain he'd have been happy if he had.]

Me: No.

CW: Episcopalian?

Me: *blank stare, because WTF?* No. I'm not Christian.

CW: Don't tell me you're Muslim.

Me: *irritated, because even if I was... WTF business is it of his?* No.

CW: Hindu?

Me: No.

CW: Atheist?

Me: Not anymore.

CW: Buddhist?

Me: No.

CW: What are you?

Me: None of your business.

CW: *weird, amused look*

Because if he's *that* bloody ignorant about standard Protestant Christianity denominations (unfortunately I have to give on the Catholic ignorance because apparently *no-one* listens to their history instructors) I'd hate to listen to the bullshit he'd come up with for Paganism of any stripe.

Then again I told a friend I was Wiccan and she gave me a blank, uncomprehending stare.

Me: I'm a witch.
Her: No you're not. You're too nice.
Me: It's just a different religion. It doesn't make me evil. (After all I'm not telling you that your inadvertant revelation that you're a Jehova's Witness has not made me ask if you harass people door-to-door.)

It's strange, either you get people who think it's kind of neat or those who start looking at you like you eat babies for breakfast or something. *sighs* Or who start issuing invitations like "Come visit me at Church!"

No. I'm not interested in being converted to a religion that does not move me and never has. I grew up in the US, it's hard *NOT* to be exposed to Christianity in its myriad flaws, thankyouverymuch.


*looks at the link thread*

I'd consider joining that comm, but I think that my head would explode. O_o

Me: I'm a witch.
Her: No you're not. You're too nice.
Me: It's just a different religion. It doesn't make me evil. (After all I'm not telling you that your inadvertant revelation that you're a Jehova's Witness has not made me ask if you harass people door-to-door.)

[insert deja vu here]

*snerks* It's really kind of sad, that kind of closemindedness... although she's not as bad as she could be about it. She didn't stop talking to me, or start pestering me about attending church with her or proselytize at all. One of the Curves ladies I simply said I wasn't Christian to pretty much stopped talking to me at all -- I had to tell her as she was pressuring me to attend prayer meetings, but I suspect she does that to everyone.

Good for you Vas, for standing up to her ignorance! I had to get out of my bed to support you on this.

I am Catholic in my heart and soul. I do not attend church because I feel the church leaders are doing more damage than good these days and I don't feel like donating my money so they can defend child molesters.

But I do pray to saints. Especially St. Jude. And he has *never* failed to interceed on my behalf.

I explained it to Jillian this way when I first explained praying to saints to her. She loves her Dad, yet there are certain times she may want something from him that she is not sure how he'll respond, or needs someone to explain why she should have the thing she is asking for, and that she feels if someone else were to explain it he'll say yes. So she'll ask someone such as her Mum to interceed such for her. Same way as I ask a saint too interceed to God on my behalf.

As for being Wiccan that is your choice and people should stay out of others religious decisions the same as others bedroooms.

What religion you choose is your choice. That is one of our basic freedoms in this country and why this country was founded in the first place. Why do people insist that others must believe everything they believe? Is it the only way to validate their religious choice? If everything in this world was identical it would be very boring. I like diversity and I learn from all religions, so although I consider myself Catholic I like parts of other faiths and they become part of my spiritual being.

I've been invited to different churches too, because of course according to some unless you attend church you're going to hell. Yet some of these "Sunday Christians" are the ones who have the least amount of faith from what I've seen. I was raised to believe that God could be found anywhere, not just a church. So I worship in the best place I know, my heart.

The last church that I was invited to was a church that believes in laying on of hands and I was told if I went I'd be healed of all my health problems. Well, I went for this person because I care about her but the laying on of hands did not heal me. I was told it was because my faith was not strong enough. Good answer to cover the fact the person doing this and getting paid( through donations) is a most likely a con artist since no one I know that was there that night from town was healed. Very convient answer, but totally false especially since it has been my suffering and health issues that has strengthened my faith.

I guess in the end I try to stay away from talking about my faith unless I know how others feel because when someone gets me going I can go head to toe with these religious zealots who think they have the answer to everything. To bad this person didn't read their Bible because if they read it they would know that their God, that they are trying to shove down your throat, as they are making fun of Catholics or any other faith, says not to judge least ye be judged. I guess they were daydreaming when that passage was read at Sunday School?

Too bad people can't be more accepting of other's differences no matter what they are they are for the world would be a more peaceful place for it!

Hugs, Just for being you!


My coworker seems to really enjoy airing his ignorance in public, on many subjects he knows nothing about (and often, of things he knows, he doesn't actually understand them.)

As for my friend, she's actually been good, particularly for a conservative-ish Christian. Our relationship hasn't actually changed a bit. I suspect her mother might've been quite distressed, but I expect we're not going to tell her ;)

I'm totally missing the point, I know, but nice explanation of why saints are prayed to instead of God. Not being Catholic or exposed much to Catholicism, I'd just taken it in stride, but it's nice to have a simple, clear explanation.

My personal opinion is that some religions are just silly; as a for instance, I used to be very into mythology when I was young and the idea of worshipping any of the Greco-Roman pantheon makes me wince given their myriad flaws. However, I can't say it's any better having to listen to what Christians say. I am a Christian and the ignorance of people about their own religion makes me squirm. (Anyone? Anyone? Anyone want to tell me where Jesus said 'Hate your enemies. Hound mercilessly anyone who is different from you until they agree to believe what you believe.' Etcetera, etcetera.)

That being said, I've always rather liked C.S. Lewis' take on religions in "The Last Battle" where the young man worshipping Tash is actually doing so for Aslan, because good is of Aslan and evil is of Tash despite which name is used. (I'm paraphrasing; the book said it much better.) The name we use for God isn't as important as what we believe about God and how we act as a result.

I can't find the reference, but I'm fairly sure that some writer/saint/philosopher somewhere said that early on, and Lewis just paraphrased it. Anyone?

No idea. Although it might explain where Lackey started her whole "Good is good and Evil is evil, no matter what Name they're committed in. It doesn't matter. It's time we stopped the Naming of Names."

Which is a sucky paraphrase, but I don't have the book I'm thinking of immediately in hand.

I know that I've always felt that way -- I could never understand why people couldn't see the Greco-Roman Pantheon as God with split-personality for the convienience/need for the ancient Greeks and Romans. I remember saying something to the effect of "If you mixed them all together, don't you just get God in another form?" to a friend of mine when I was... what, maybe 10 or so? I suspect it isn't that uncommon a philosophical point for people to come up with on their own.

...although from what I understand about Lewis, I think I find it weirdly surprising he'd say that. Then again, from the Christian philosophers I've been exposed to, I've yet to read one that didn't make me want to start screaming at him. Which is probably related to the whole 'doing medieval history' thing, as many of them are obnoxious dorks spreading a remarkable amount of lasting poison into western society.

They can't *all* be monsterous asses though. At least, one hopes not.

Anyone? Anyone? Anyone want to tell me where Jesus said 'Hate your enemies. Hound mercilessly anyone who is different from you until they agree to believe what you believe.' Etcetera, etcetera

It's written in invisible ink only fanatics can read. I mean, at least Muslim's have the excuse that forcible conversion and dying to promote it lands you in heaven with a lot of food and much sex (although I've always wondered why virgins -- is there something about virginity that is supposed to make the eternity of sex more fun?) is actually *in* their holy book.

It's one of the things that turns me off of Christianity. I think that as a philosophy of how people should *live* it's great. I'm not hugely up with the idea of Christ being divine, etc., but I do think he was an amazing philosopher, particularly for his time and place. My mother firmly believed in God (although I'm unsure of her positions on Christ and all, although I believe she accepted him as her savior) but didn't believe in the organized religion because it was made by man, structured by men in ancient patriarchal societies that threw aspects of the religion away in order to conform to political and social realities. Me, I simply have difficulty accepting a "Loving God" that has so much hate.

Which is why I'm someone with a dual-deity that encompasses both light and dark, deities with balance that embrace creation and destruction, etc. It works for me in a way that Christian theology doesn't. Then again, I do agree with Lewis in that I believe that it is *all* the same. It's all godhead and how it manifests as something you can work with and live by is a matter of personal experience.